In this episode, Mary and Denise discuss the production of Star Wars Episode IX, The Rise of Skywalker and why there are signs that many changes happened in it, especially in Colin Trevorrow’s version, the leaked Artbook, and interviews with Chris Terrio and more cast and crew. We start by discussing Colin Trevorrow’s treatment for Episode IX, what we can learn from it, what was carried to JJ and Terrio’s movie, and what it means for the story and for the trilogy. We then discuss a recently leaked Artbook that was released in Korea, with some important information missing! By the way, since we recorded it, the artbook has been called back and is no longer for sale. We also take some hints from the leaks, which seem more and more reliable by now, and try to trace what happened to Episode IX and how Lucasfilm arrived at its final product. Finally, we look at some cast and crew interviews for more hints about the production of Episode IX.